Since the NY&AR took over control of the Lower Montauk and retired the signals in place, the speed limit for freight movements on the line was dropped to restricted speed, which is a speed that would allow the train to stop within half of the engineer's range of vision, or no more than 15 mph. So right of the bat the resident's needn't worry about trains pounding through at 80 mph as the gates are still coming down.
This and several other grade crossings on the Lower Montauk work use only something called an "island circuit" to active the crossing. I will delve more into grade crossing anatomy at another time, but generally speaking, there are three different "circuits" that could activate a grade crossing (the circuit is completed by the train's metal wheels shunting it). There is an island circuit, which is right on the crossing itself plus an additional hundred feet to either side of the crossing. There are then two more circus on either side of the island circuit that vary in length (depending on the speed limit in the area). When the train touches one of these outer circuits, the grade crossing is activated and it is deactivated when the train clears the island circuit.
| The "dangerous" grade crossing on the Lower Montauk that Glendale residents are concerned about. (Photo credit; Google Street View) |
The Glendale Residents mentioned here seem to get scared seeing the train get so close and want the railraod to make the warning time longer. The LIRR owns and maintains all crossing equipment along the branch.
WCBS wasted a whole one minute and fifty-eight seconds of air time earlier this week running a report about the allegedly dangerous crossing (the video is accessible at this link). In the report, Glendale resident Kate Interrante said that she would like "more of a 3 minute warning" in advance of a train's arrival, which is pretty insane, considering it's about six times the length of the advance warning set by federal standard and afforded at hundreds of other crossings across the country. I would personally get pretty frustrated staring at an empty crossing for three whole minutes before a train crawled across it at restricted speed, and such a long time might actually make things even more dangerous, considering people would quickly get impatient and try to run the crossing.
The residents of Glendale have long been unhappy about the freight traffic that has been moving through their neighborhood since long before they got there, and they're a pretty creative bunch, coming up with all sorts of grand stories and complaints. At the end of the day, both the LIRR and the FRA inspected and observed the crossing and found everything to be in working order and all federal saftey standards were being observed. You should always expect a train at a grade crossing at any time and in any direction--even if the gates aren't lowered. A little bit of common sense works wonders in situations like these...we don't need to alter the whole crossing and make people suffer through several minutes worth of flashing lights and bells for nothing.
Grew up near there when there used to be a smattering of passenger service on top of the freight. Never remember it being much of a problem and IIRC the passenger trains were pretty quick. How much freight moves through there? IS it even a train a day?
ReplyDeleteThere's about six trains through there on the average weekday (3 eastbound RS40/RS50/RS80 and 3 westbound RS41/RS51/RS81).
ReplyDeleteI surely hope you have a lot to say about how to improve our Montauk Branch within the paltry 3 minutes they will allow you to speak on Tuesday evening. Frustrating beyond that is the fact that I just submitted my comments via the MTA website link, only to have them bounce. So it makes one wonder if they are really interested at all in hearing from us.
ReplyDeleteLIRR should hold a public meeting and invite Kate Interrante.
ReplyDeleteDuring the meeting they should start a clock and run it for three minutes during which no one can speak or move.
She'll soon realise that 3 minutes is a totally excessive time for her and her car to be held up.
If she doesn't other residents certainly will and sense will prevail.
Was this circuit set up the same way in the days of passenger service? I doubt passenger trains had to stop like the freight ones do today. Why did they take the effort to change it to the way it is now?
ReplyDeleteGotta love the safety-obsessed residents standing around with their strollers on a level crossing...
ReplyDeleteIt's true. The first PEB recommended fare increases of 7.5% instead of the anticipated 4%. That sounds like an increase to fares as a direct result of this contract to me.
ReplyDeleteAnd the second PEB does not recommend anything. They just pick the lesser of two evils. Just because they picked the union's offer doesn't mean it's not evil or bad...
No matter how you try and spin it, at the end of the day, the decision to stop work will be 100% that of the unions. They are more than welcome to accept whatever contract the MTA forces onto them, or the unions can choose to go on strike. Nobody said anything about it being fair. It's their decision to strike, and their decision alone. Like I said above, trying to pawn off the blame onto the MTA is disingenuous.
ReplyDelete...the unions asked for the extension in a veiled attempt to push the strike back to a point where it would do far more political and commuter damage (i.e. closer to Election Day; when schools are in session and less people are on vacation). The unions are so transparent...
ReplyDeleteAre they the same ones freaked out over the idea of a homeless shelter near a 'chemical' storage facility but further from it than existing homes?
ReplyDeleteI understand that since you run a bus company you might have a different perspective on the matter than the lay person, but why would they not be able to find 350 buses? There's literally thousands of school buses sitting and doing nothing.
ReplyDeleteSome students still have school, and it's not necessarily because of poor grades. I should know because I'm a student at one of those schools described.
ReplyDeleteThat's true, I didn't think of summer school and other activities that would possibly require school buses. However, I'm still pretty confident that they don't need more than 1/3 of their bus fleet over the summer. Or am I wrong? (I don't know for sure, that's why I'm asking)
ReplyDeleteDrivers. A lot of them are used by charter bus companies for the summer busy season. In addition, many companies already have tons of work that pays upfront during this period of time. They have to leave enough driving hours to complete the other work.
ReplyDeleteThis is a logical map in terms of normal operations. However, any bus leaving Port Jefferson, Ronkonkoma, and Patchogue will be completely full at that location during a strike.
ReplyDeleteAre people going to prefer a direct ride to the city at a high price (think the Jitney at $30) or a shuttle operation to a subway like 7Bus (at $10)?
ReplyDeletethis is what they spend time and money on instead of paying their workers 3 more dollars for six years ? 24 more jerkoffs that dont know what hells goin on . Typical MTA
ReplyDeleteI think a 10-second wait is fair enough. Right now, it's probably 2 seconds.
ReplyDeleteDid you get a chance to speak at one of the public input sessions? I saw your name was announced as a speaker on the first day but I never saw you get up to the podium. Your twitter feed seems to indicate that they forgot to turn on the camera/mic? Do you think you could reproduce what you said at the public input session?
ReplyDeleteObviously the commission was made to look at the entire region but there was very little input on the commuter railroads.
You don't have the train outside your bedroom windows. From 1984 to 11/2012 we had working gates with 2 passenger trains a day, the occasional freight train, dead-heading engines, and an annual circus train. The trains didn't have to stop for the signal to react. Apparently after 11/2012 when the lower Montauk Branch was no longer used for passenger service, the trigger for the signal changed or was not maintained. Now we get up to 3 east bound freights on a weekday, usually pulling hopper cars or box cars. They stop to allow the single to react and the momentum of the heavy freight cars just bangs. The first time I heard it I thought they were coupling cars on the tracks behind my house. Then they start pulling again and there is more noise. Worst of all they do it at night just about when I'm falling asleep. Curiously the west bound trains sound like they used to, the train toots, you hear the bells on the crossing, and shortly thereafter the train passes.
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