Tuesday, November 12, 2013

What's to become of the Atlantic Branch?

(Photo credit: MTA)
Yesterday we began to consider the future of LIRR operations once East Side Access opens in 2019.  I mentioned there were a couple routes the LIRR could take in regard to its service patterns once it comes time to make up new schedules.

One of the options the LIRR has a lot to do with the Atlantic Branch and Atlantic Terminal.  Under one possible option, the LIRR would basically move every train that currently goes to Atlantic Terminal over to Grand Central and just add a few more. Writing this option into the schedules wouldn't be all that intensive.  They would basicallyIjust white out "Atlantic Terminal" on the schedules and write "Grand Central" in in its place.

Meanwhile, train service to Atlantic Terminal would be reduced to small cross-borough scoots that would run between Atlantic Terminal and Jamaica only.  At Jamaica, the trains would terminate at a new separate platform off to the side.

Do I think this is a particularly good idea?  No, I do not.  Simply shifting trains from Atlantic Terminal to Grand Central would be under-utilizing Grand Central.  Even if you added more trains to Grand Central, sending half-empty Far Rockaway and Hempstead Branch trains to there isn't going to fill up the farebox, so they would have to put a little more thought into their setup of the schedules to really take advantage of all this new capacity.

And abdicating Atlantic Terminal would absolutely kill ridership there.  Yes, the Barclays Center is still there so there would be ridership on event nights, but outside of that, I would expect ridership at Atlantic Terminal to drop significantly.

As I've said in the past, people hate transfers.  Passengers will always be inclined to take a direct train over one that involves a transfer someplace.  If somebody planned on connecting to the Subway at Atlantic Terminal, I would say that most would just stay on the train to Penn Station or Grand Central and get the subway there, since one transfer (to the subway at NYP/GCT) would be better than two (change at Jamaica/subway at ATL).  This doesn't necessarily bode well for the already jam packed Lexington Avenue Line...

And this transfer would be an extra annoying transfer since it would be an "up and over" transfer.  People who transfer at Huntington during one of those "up and over" transfers already know how annoying they could be.  Because the new shuttle platform would likely be off on the side at Jamaica and not in with the regular tracks, in order to get to it you would have to go up or down to the overpass or street level, then go back up or down to the track level.  These transfers don't only take more energy, they also eat up a lot more time.  Add freezing or 100° into the equation and the ordeal is even more unpleasant.

And what is this cross-borough scoot going to actually be like? Is the LIRR going to do a good job with it and have really frequent service like they've said or are they going to do a half-ass job with it and Atlantic Terminal will never be the same again...

Atlantic Terminal is designed to accommodate roughly 18 trains per hour. Currently it doesn't see nearly that many, but how many trains would the LIRR be willing to run? They could run a train every 7-10 minutes. However, that would require nearly 7 different trainsets. So that would be at least 42 M7's, 21 crew members, and countless megawatts of electricity needed every hour to maintain a service of this kind. That does not sound cheap.

And they would be sending all that money for what? A handful of transfer passengers. Ridership to Brooklyn is less than it could be already, especially in the off-peak. Most people on trains going to Brooklyn are only going to Brooklyn because the train is continuing there anyways. They don't want to bother transferring (see above) for a train to Penn Station, so they will just continue on to Atlantic Terminal and pick up the subway there.

Let me assure you, if the LIRR comes up with a cross-borough scoot it will not be well patronized. There aren't all that many people going form Brooklyn to Jamaica in the first place, and unless your destination is literally across the street from Atlantic Terminal (like the Barlcays Center), you are probably going to just stay on the train to Penn Station or Grand Central and catch the subway there. Those six car M7's with their minimum three crew members clunking along the Atlantic Avenue viaduct will be virtually empty and it will not be too long before the LIRR gives up and we're back to half hourly headways or worse, and we still have to go "up and over."  Atlantic Terminal would never be the same.

And while this cross-borough scoot plan doesn't make too much sense practically in the first place, it will make even less sense financially.  The LIRR's infrastructure is not set up to be run like a rapid transit system.  First off, on the LIRR, electric MU sets have to be run in sets of no less than six cars.  Throughout all interlockings there are large third rail gaps that can cause a train that has four or less cars to somehow have none of its third rial shoes on a third rail, and the train can become stranded, without power, for a long time in these circumstances.  (If you've every been riding through Jamaica on an M3 when the lights flicker on and off, this is the phenomenon I'm talking about, except with short trains, except in these cases there are other cars that are still powered that can shove your pair back onto the third rail). And it's not like this problem would be solved if you only run inbetween Atlantic Terminal and Jamaica as JAY and BROOK interlockings (especially JAY) have some of the biggest third rail gaps in the system.  So running trains shorter than six cars will likely not be an option.

And as per LIRR union contracts, every train (with the exception of the Greenport Scoots) is required to have at  least three crew members (an engineer, conductor, and assistant conductor).  Currently, the LIRR and the unions are at an impasse in contract negotiations and if a LIRR strike were to occur this summer, hopefully the MTA would be able to chip away at some of the union's archaic work rules, including this one.  But while abolishing the Assistant Conductor position on these runs might save some money, if the LIRR is going to have to get trains into or out of VD yard next to Atlantic Terminal, they are going to have to make reverse moves at some point, and they are going to need the Assistant Conductor position to help with those.

So it's clear to me at least that any sort of LIRR-run cross-borough scoot will not be successful no matter what they do to try and make it popular.

But are there other alternatives?  Ideally the LIRR would maintain and increase peak and off-peak service to Atlantic Terminal with through trains from Long Island.  They could easily support four to five trains an hour off-peaks with trains from places like Far Rockaway, Hempstead, Farmingdale, and Belmont Park.  (with one train per hour from Far Rockaway, Hempstead, and Farmingdale and two trains per hour from Belmont Park).  Belmont Park is a station that I wish the LIRR would do a lot more with, and here is their chance.  Not only could they increase service to Brooklyn, residents in Eastern Queens could also benefit from increased transit access.  But I wrote more about that back in June.

That would be the best option here.  Maintain and increase service from Eastern Long Island through to Atlantic Terminal and time connections better (cross-platform transfers at Jamaica, none of this "up and over" nonsense) and I would imagine Atlantic Terminal would be better used.

There is also one other alternative.  For a while now, many have kicked around the idea that the LIRR should turn over control of the Atlantic Branch between Jamaica and Atlantic Terminal over to New York City Transit (the Subway).  The Atlantic Branch would then be integrated into the subway's fare system and NYCT would use subway rolling stock with only two crew members and all like that.

However, there are also obstacles to this alternative.  While it might work and it might make more sense than the totally senseless LIRR-run cross-borough scoot plan, the subway and the LIRR have very little in common.  Pretty much the only thing they have in common is the standard track gauge.  While subway trains will probably be able to fit, platforms will have to be adjusted to accommodate the narrower subway cars, the power system will have to be knocked back down to 600 V third rail DC power to feed the subway cars (as LIRR trains use 750 volts), and probably the whole signaling system will have to be ripped out and NYCT's put in (especially since the LIRR will be installing Positive Train Control on the Atlantic Branch in the near future and subway trains don't use PTC).

But handing the Atlantic Branch over to NYCT would remove it from the LIRR's hands completely.  They would no longer be able to run trains through it anymore.  Next time there is a service disruption someplace on the Mainline or into NYP/GCT, the whole railroad will be undeniably screwed.

At the beginning of time, the LIRR had three different routes between Jamaica and the waterfront.  The Mainline, the Montauk Branch (Lower Montauk), and the Atlantic Branch.  Last November, the Lower Montauk Branch was wiped off the map, and in 2019 we might be waving goodbye to the Atlantic Branch too.

That would leave the LIRR one and only one routing between Jamaica and its most heavily used stations.  Only one.  In March we saw how painful losing one track on this valuable stretch of railroad can be when a non-passenger train derailed in Rego Park.  The LIRR was messed up for days.  Now imagine if two, three, or even all four of those tracks were knocked Out of Service.  What would the LIRR do?  They wouldn't be able to do a thing other than sit there and shove people on to the subway.

Flexibility is the single worst thing to lose on a railroad, and once it's gone, it is very hard to get it back.

Unfortunately, early indications coming out of the LIRR (lines dropped at committee meetings and such) seem to indicate they are looking to move in the direction of a LIRR-run cross-borough scoot, which is one I think they should steer away from at all costs.  In summation, the best thing to do here is to maintain and increase through service to Atlantic Terminal.  Relegating it to a cross-borough scoot will be majestically unpopular and handing it off to the subway (which will run it properly) will only drastically reduce extremely valuable flexibility in a very tightly wound system.

This post is part of the "Considering the Future of the LIRR" series.  To see other posts in this group, click here.

15 comments:

  1. LIRR does in fact have an operating plan to ESA. The 2 Hunterspoint electrics and the 7:26am from East Williston are among the trains that would be diverted, as would 40-50% of what now goes to NYPS. The plan is under lock and key on a server someplace, or there would be political Holy Wars among the politicians arguing over who should get them. They would also be revealing their hand as to which NYPS slots would free up, and they don't want Bronx politicians find out out since they want some MN New Haven are trains to NYPS. The bigger question mark is what they will do with Hunterspoint Avenue, and whether they will finally throw in the towel with their troublesome dual-mode trains.and expensive

    They Brooklyn Scoots may well be under the Metrocard system, which is part of the reason for the new Jamaica platform, and City Fare would go to 7 days per week. Queens ridership on the Port Washington Branch blossomed when weekend City Fare was introduced. Some of those stations actually have higher loadings on weekends. Those trains are rather empty east of Great Neck.

    LIRR is perfectly capable of running 4 car trains. All but one pair of West Hempstead trains per day, and numerous Hempstead and Far Rockaway trains were 4 cars until the M-3's came along until 1985.
    Until the M-7's came, an afternoon Hempstead round trip, which cycled onto the the 6:09pm from Brooklyn to West Hempstead, was still 4 cars. With an fleet of 1,006 MU cars, there is no convenient place to put all the cars, so they run longer trains. Remember that 836 M-7's replaced 760 M-1's.

    2 and 3 car trains were quite common when MP54's ruled, though that was when the ASC system was more forgiving. Until 1970, the West Hempstead shuttle was 2 cars, and each MP54 car was only 65'. While that was risky, the only time 4 car M-1's were a problem was when 3rd rail shoes were missing, or 2 cars were dead. The interlockings are identical today to what they were then. M-7's are also better able to handle a gap than an M-1, and their lights don't flicker as easily on long, double-slip switches.

    Metro North runs lots of 4 car M-3's and M-7's, and they are not stalling out on the long gaps on switches leading into GCT.

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    1. That's asinine, how do they expect ridership to improve without adding any decent amount of additional service?? Splitting service 50/50 or 60/40 between the two terminals when the ridership might not split like that is a ridiculous. I thought we were spending all this money on ESA to get more service not less!

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  2. If I understand correctly, the Atlantic Branch right of way isn't even owned by the LIRR/MTA, but is leased from the City of New York. Whether this point will have any bearing on decisions about future service I don't know. (I would be interested to learn the terms of the lease, and when it expires!)

    Also, will the new Jamaica platforms and the planned reconfiguration of JAY interlocking have any effect on NYA freight movements through Jamaica?

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    1. I don't know the specifics behind that exactly, but there are certainly a lot of little known things like that that thwart the plans of many.

      There have also been murmurings that because of the fact that the LIRR's original charter was to provide service from Brooklyn to Greenport (I hear this is one obstacle that the LIRR faced when they wanted to abandon the Mainline east of Ronkonkoma/Riverhead completely a couple years ago). They might not even be able to sell off that portion of the Atlantic Branch because they are mandated to provide service over it via its charter, and getting that changed will be a long and painful process.

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    2. Of course the 1834 charter gives the LIRR authority to operate only "a single or double track railroad", a stipulation that I'm surprised the opponents of the mainline third track proposal in Nassau haven't used as ammunition!

      My source for the Atlantic Branch west of Jamaica being leased from the City is "The Handbook of American Railroads" by Robert Lewis (1956), so that piece of information may be completely out of date.

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    3. The LIRR Mainline is and pretty much always has been four tracks from QUEENS to HAROLD, and I'm sure some carefully crafted vocabulary could work around that.

      I do definitely know for sure that the charter came up when they were talking about abandoning Greenport. Don't know what would be involved in changing that if NYCT were to get involved.

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    4. Yes, the LIRR Main Line was triple-tracked west of Floral Park as early as 1907, and quadruple tracked from HAROLD to Jamaica prior to 1910.

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  3. Neither is Platform C, Tracks 4 & 5 in Jamaica, along with the 2 pocket track east of the station. I hardly think it matters. It would have to remain a LIRR operation, regardless of fare collection since it would still be an FRA operation.

    Since freight train don't go through Jamaica Station per se, nor use the switches to access the Atlantic Branch, I don't think it would have any affect on freight operations at all.

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    1. It depends where they put the new platform and switches. Freight usually passes south of the station on tracks 10 and 11, and if the new platform is to go there, it might hamper movements through the area.

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  4. Is keeping the Atlantic Branch useless to riders just on the off-chance that the LIRR messes up so bad that they need another route into the city really the best use of this infrastructure? Lots of railroads only have one route in and they manage alright.

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    1. The branch is only "useless to riders" in its current state because it is so underserved by the LIRR. I might consider going to Atlantic Terminal during the off-peak and taking the (G) up into Long Island City if the connection times at Jamaica weren't absolutely terrible. Some trains have 28 minute wait times at Jamaica for a train to ATL because the schedules are so out of whack. If they added in more through service with decent, smart connections, more people would use it.

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    2. The G from Atlantic Terminal to LIC? Isn't that a little out of the way considering it would be faster and more frequent both LIRR and NYCT wise to take the 7 from woodside to reach LIC?
      The turf the Atlantic branch runs through isn't exactly ideal either with East New York; according to a local rap video is where "the guns do the talking" and also happens to be where the LIRR cages up the TVMs.

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    3. I only consider going to ATL and taking the G when those ever recurring 7 GO's make getting to LIC otherwise tough. I normally take the 7 from Woodside on the weekends but with the outages, my options are reduced. If the connections line up well, it is only a three minute difference from going via ATL than NYP.

      Also, while East New York has a bad reputation, if you're on the train there's nothing to worry about. I wouldn't advise waiting for a train there at 12:30am, but just passing through is no bother.

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    4. This is certainly a late comment, but according to Newsday and the Times-Ledger, the MTA has said that headways on the Atlantic Scoot will be 7.5 minutes. We'll see if they end up keeping their promise (but heck, fifteen minute headways would be an improvement over what exists now)

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  5. I currently live in Brooklyn not too far from Vd Yard and I'd like to contribute some observations:

    1) Off-peak service from Flatbush Avenue is atrocious. The half-hourly headways and poor connection times at Jamaica make it difficult to take the train ... on one occasion I even took the subway up to Penn Station to catch a train because the wait time at Jamaica was ridiculous !

    2) IF the lirr were to convert the Atlantic Branch to a subway-scoot operation, it won't get any use if the fare is more expensive than the subway fare. With a few exceptions ,most people will just stick with the longer ride on the subway if it is cheaper or they can use their unlimited ride Metrocards.

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