Friday, May 17, 2013

Port Washington Yard Reconfiguration


Port Washington station sits at the very eastern tip of the Port Washington Branch, about 18 miles east of Long Island City.  With the completion of East Side Access in 2019, the LIRR will be able to run more trains along the Port Washington Branch (among others).  However, the LIRR is going to need to do some track expansions on the east end of operations to allow more trains to run along the branch.  Projects like the Colonial Road Improvement Project and the Port Washington Yard Reconfiguration is expected to add lots of capacity along the branch.

The Port Washington Yard Reconfiguration project plans to extend two of the station's yard tracks (either tracks 6 and 7 or 7 and 8) enough to fit 18 more cars at the station.  Those 18 cars would be enough to add storage for 2 more trains at the station.

Here's a diagram of the station configuration as it is today.  You can see the tracks they are trying to extend are on the east/south side of the station:

Now in order for this project to happen, the LIRR is going to need to acquire a small piece of that parking lot on the east side of the station that would be in the way.  The work would cause the loss of approximately 40 parking spaces from that lot, but the LIRR says that re-striping the lot there (repainting all the lines) to manage the space more efficiently could recover all of those parking spots, so there would be no net loss in parking spaces.

However, NIMBYism is rearing its ugly head.  The parking lot's owner, the Town of North Hempstead, says they do not want to sell the 18-by-439-foot parcel of asphalt to the LIRR.

And the NIMBYism that's growing over this project is amazing.  Here are some excerpts from a Newsday artcile released Wednesday on the plan:
...De Giorgio, a Republican who announced her bid for supervisor last month, said the proposals amount to creating an unsightly storage yard in Port Washington.

"The idea of storing these massive trains, adding two storage tracks to Port Washington, will completely ruin the character of the town," she said. "This is creating a train depot in Port Washington..."


"If we're going to give up even 40, there's got to be a compelling reason, something on the other side that is going to get us better service," Schwartz said. "I'm not convinced at this point."
To be honest, the NIMBY opposition over this is completely idiotic. These people are opposed to allowing the LIRR to operate more trains into the city!  Most people (myself included) would love more service!  Port Washington wants less!  Watch them close, they'll be the very ones complaining once ESA opens that their trains are too crowded and that they demand more service.  So typical.

But, luckily, there is another option for the LIRR.  They can extend the yard tracks on the west side of the station (so extend track 1 and build a track 0).  However, since the yard is less developed on the west side and the parking lot is closer, this alternate will require the destruction of 140 parking spaces and no amount of re-striping is going to recover that many spaces.

BUT the parking lot on the west side of the station is operated by the LIRR, so they would not need the cooperation of the town to get this done.

So the bottom line is this:  the project is going to get done no matter what.  Either the town of North Hempstead and the Port Washington NIMBYs cooperate and there is no net loss in parking spaces, or the LIRR just gives the residents of Port Washington the proverbial finger and tears up its own parking lot to get the job done at the cost of 140 parking spaces.

The NIMBY's won't win on this one.  So it's either cooperate for the greater good or get screwed.  End of story.

14 comments:

  1. Since the LIRR is extending with or without cooperation, obviously it is preferable to cooperate and lose 40 parking spots instead of 140. Now it is time to either build tiered parking to gain back the lost spots or for the people who object because they live nearby and do not want to see tiered parking, to give up something. If they live closer than the furthest lots, they should not be permitted to get parking stickers. Each residence in the parking district should only be pemitted to have 2 parking stickers. Flower Hill, Roslyn addresses (Roslyn School District and Roslyn Fire Department) should be in Roslyn parking district. The people who take the LIRR to work right now do not have enough parking so adding extra commuters means we need more parking.

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    1. Yeah, you're thinking along the right lines. If the NIMBY's don't want to see a parking garage, they should be told to take a hike. It is possible to walk, bike, get dropped off, or even--dare I say--take the bus (the N23 would make the perfect link for just about everyone in Manorhaven...)

      The LIRR could also decide to just give up and do nothing for Port Washington. Three trains per hour is all you're going to get, even after ESA. Enjoy your crushloaded trains once ESA opens. But at least they'll have a place to park.

      ~ Patrick @ The LIRR Today

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  2. Not sure how there is no net impact. Sounds like the net impact at best is 40 spots and at worst 140 spots. but that's almost neither here nor there. the problem that we have with this whole situation is twofold: a) PW doesnt have enough parking as is so the idea of adding more service with less parking is idiotic and b) this is the LIRR/MTA that we're talking about. singlehandedly one of the least efficiently running organizations in the US, guilty of deceit and fraud and more or less just stealing from their constituency without any improvement in service so forgive us for being skeptical of trusting this organization to do the right thing. in the meantime, the politicians of NH should be working on how to resolve the parking issue instead of saying "we're going to get bent over the barrel either way, which do you prefer? wet or dry?"

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  3. MTA logic: more trains for more commuters and less parking. makes sense to me!!
    Port Washington currently does not have enough commuter parking. Any reduction will have dire consequences on the quality of life.
    LIRR expansion project is eminent - the parking problem is a TOWN problem.
    Tax payers need to be given an opportunity to VOTE on what they want and not have the corrupt politicians push their political agenda.
    LIRR expansion project is eminent, so TOHN needs to wake up and find a long term solution that will work.
    Final question for your thought…where will the money go that the TOWN gets at fair market price for the parcel of land that will be sold to the LIRR?
    personally i think that The need for a parking garage above or below grade is the only long term solution whether people like it or not.

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    1. The Port Washingtoners need a wake up call. You don't absolutely positively have to drive to the station and park there to get to work. If you live within walking or biking distance of the train they should by all means give that a shot. It's healthier, greener, cheaper, and it will save you all those parking headaches.

      Port Washington also has multiple bus connections that can get you within walking distance. The N23 would make a perfect link for all of Manorhaven, for example.

      OR Port Washington can suck it up and build a parking garage there. If it will "ruin the towns landscape" or whatever the NIMBY's whine about that is their problem.

      Following ESA's opening ridership along the Port Washington Branch will explode. 40 spaces is not going to make one little difference...

      It's will be the Town of North Hempstead's problem. If they want to build a parking garage they are going to have to finance it. End of story.

      More commuters are coming the MTA's way--there is no question about that. Ridership is set to explode in the coming years. The MTA has to do its responsibility to meet that demand. We wouldn't want the train SRO before leaving Port Washington. It will be up to each individual municipality to develop some sort of alternative to meet the upcoming demand.

      The trains and the people are coming...it's time for the municipalities to get their heads out of the sand or they will suffer. That's that.

      ~ Patrick @ The LIRR Today

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  4. 40 less spaces is a devastation to the community. Those of us who barely get a spot for the 7:46 train will NOT get one if 40 spaces are taken from us.

    There are many communities in Port NOT on a bus line and not in walking distance for many people. How do we get to the train???

    Also, many people are just not willing to take public transportation and never will. You will never be able to force that on peoples QUALITY OF LIFE. if they wanted that type of life style they would have moved to N.Y.C.

    The MTA does not care about parking. its TONH that needs to deal with the parking...or lack of. i agree that a garage is 100% needed for a long term solution.

    "people get ready...there's a train comin'...you don't need no ticket...just get on board." should be revised to "you don't need no PARKING...just walk or take the BUS"

    or

    "Dina DeGorgio....get a brain"

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  5. Forget about building "enough" parking. There's no such thing. No matter how much you build, it will still all fill up by 7:45 every morning, because it will suck in more and more out-of-towners who would rather ride the Port Washington line than their own. The parking district has built three new lots in recent years and made no dent in the situation at all; a fourth one is in the works, and it won't change anything either.

    If you want to talk about destroying the community, a multilevel parking structure is a much bigger danger than any added storage track. Ask anyone in Huntington or Hicksville or Ronkonkoma -- commuter garages are an ugly blight and a magnet for vandalism and crime, unless you man them and patrol them constantly, and nobody wants to pay for that.

    There's no use fulminating about it, it's just a fact. There will never be "enough" parking (which, when you really press a complainer, turns out to mean "a space available for me near the station any time I want one").

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  6. is a spot available at 8am so i can get to work by 9am too much to ask for? is that not why i moved to Port? if i wanted a long commute i would have moved somewhere else...don’t fool yourself that is why people move here. BTW look at Miami Beach and their parking garages. they are beautiful, safe, a tourist atttraction, and has resolved the need for residential, commuter, and retail parking.
    Also the "new" lot you are talking about is on the "Sheilds" property and that will only be used for retail merchant parking and bike parking...oh and TONH gave 800K for it!!!!

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  7. All, please attend today's LIRR Public Information Session" on Thursday, June 13th at 7:00-9:00PM at the PW Senior Center (80 Manorhaven Blvd).

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  8. It takes less than 20 minutes to walk from Uncle Giuseppe's to the Port Washington Station. The N23 runs like a clock and you get a free transfer to the subway when you get to Manhattan (yes, it counts as a transfer, so the buss is effectively free). Parking passes should be auctioned off each year this way a market clearing price is established. Parking in this town is too cheap, that is why demand is so high. Only one permit per household should be allowed. If you need more than one pass, too bad. Carpool with your family members! Your laziness should not result in the Town going into even more debt for a $20 million dollar lot.

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    1. It would probably be effectively free for most commuters anyway, because most of them probably have monthly Metrocards if they're riding the Subway every day as a part of their commute.

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  9. Personally, Im all for ESA and improving the commute. Getting to the train station is part of the commute however, and in Port, that is a problem. My wife and I both work in the city and have a newborn - we dont have too much flexibility in when we can get to the train. Telling everyone to suck it up and bike, walk, build is not the answer.

    Ive read a bunch of posts about this expansion and a lot of the comments - it seems like there are a lot of good ideas on ways to please both sides. I'd love to see the parking authorities regulate better to start:
    - why are sections of roslyn and manhasset allowed permits in port?
    - why do they let high school kids park in commuter lots?
    - why arent there ever tickets on the a$$holes that think their range rover needs 2 spots?
    This could easily free up 50-100 spots. Then if restriping can add 40 spots in a smaller lot, what are we waiting for? Parking is already a problem.

    Finally, there is a bunch of land around the train that could be used for parking or train storage, including the bus yard or other lots that could be bought. I cant wait till the USPS is gone altogether and that lot can be used.

    I think there are some good options to work with what we have and clean it up a little. I dont think we'll ever get to 100% capacity, but lets not make it worse...

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  10. The NIMBYISM is idiotic, but why not keep the current parking lot, re-stripe it for even MORE parking and run deadhead trains to fill in the capacity?

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    1. More deadhead trains cannot be run to Port Washington due to the lack of capacity on the single tracked line between Great Neck and Port Washington. The only way to increase capacity out of Port Washington is to expand the yard there, which is why they're going for this project.

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